Saturday, November 30, 2013
Read this first
I don't think anyone should rely on one or two or half a dozen web sites to make a conclusion on what happened. There is a lot of BS out there. What I have found most troubling is some people take one piece of info and try and turn it into the smoking gun. For instance, Oswald's marksmanship. A determined man can pick up a rifle and kill a president, that takes no great weapon skills. That debate is irrelevant in my opinion.
Who worked with Oswald?
LBJ - No
because who would put themselves in that shooting gallery? Besides his "motivation" was beucase he wanted power. But he didn't run in 1968.
Mob -
Probably because of the heat from Bobby, besides the strongest evidence is from
them.
CIA - They
provided the springboard for the assassination. Besides they have more
incognito ways of handling these things.
Anti-Castro
- Not politically connected enough to cover it up
Pro-Castro
- You can never discount a rogue element of any group, no matter how noble
their intentions. But if Castro did have any fear from the US he would have known it was the CIA and not
the US
President after him
Soviets - They had a lot of supposed motivations (Cuban Missile Crisis, Gary Powers spying, etc). If the Soviets took out JFK they would have had to deal with LBJ (or possibly Goldwater after 1964) who was more likely to go to war than JFK.
My theory (because everyone has one)
In short: Elements of the CIA wanted to scare JFK into attacking Cuba so they
set up a phony assassination attempt. Someone got wind of it and instead of
shooting over JFK's head they shot him instead.
The long version:
The CIA has what they call "cutouts" people who do the "dirty work" but don't actually work for the government. These people usually have no idea they are working for the US government. The way I understand it there is the CIA agent, who we'll call the "good guys", who work with several layers of people who get progressively worse. Finally you come upon the actual bad guy. I think Oswald was a person of interest to CIA because of his known leftist leanings. I think he was monitored by George de Mohrenschildt who had his own interest in the oil geological survey (and quasi-spying for the government).
I think there were at least 3 plans to "scare" JFK into attacking Cuba. Because the CIA, at this point, felt as though they ruled South America. They removed governments that were unfriendly to American ($$$) interests. The first was the nut in Chicago and the second was in Miami where the fear of an assassination was so great they rerouted JFK via helicopter instead of the motorcade. The third and final being Dallas.
Why would the CIA want JFK out of office? Since certain elements of the CIA thought they had become de facto rulers of the US they felt JFK was giving into Communism by not removing Castro. First he didn't support the Bay of Pigs. Next he failed to take aggressive action in the Cuba Missile Crisis. He also cancelled the operation to kill Castro, was reluctant to escalate the war in Vietnam. This was when the CIA decided to force JFK's hand in the war with the Communists.
The CIA believed the Soviets, Cubans, Viet Minh and Chinese (among others) were all perceived to be working toward a new world order, a Red world order. They had already started numerous socialist movements in South America, the USA's back door.
The CIA spent the summer of 1963 trying to find ways to embarrass Kennedy into a war with the Communists show him as weak on Communism and set him up for a loss in the 1964 presidential election. (I will provide some instances at the end of this post or in a separate post). I don’t think they wanted to go with the assassination attempt, but “groomed” Oswald in case it came down to it. Because after the winter of 1963 they wouldn’t have as good a chance with 1964 being an election year. So they have Oswald go to New Orleans, the hotbed of anti-Castro activity. Perhaps he went there also to try and incite a Castro riot. Either way I don’t think Oswald knew he was being “handled”, he knew he was part of something, but he was too unstable to be an actual intelligence agent. No, I don’t believe he was some sort of American hero.
The long version:
The CIA has what they call "cutouts" people who do the "dirty work" but don't actually work for the government. These people usually have no idea they are working for the US government. The way I understand it there is the CIA agent, who we'll call the "good guys", who work with several layers of people who get progressively worse. Finally you come upon the actual bad guy. I think Oswald was a person of interest to CIA because of his known leftist leanings. I think he was monitored by George de Mohrenschildt who had his own interest in the oil geological survey (and quasi-spying for the government).
I think there were at least 3 plans to "scare" JFK into attacking Cuba. Because the CIA, at this point, felt as though they ruled South America. They removed governments that were unfriendly to American ($$$) interests. The first was the nut in Chicago and the second was in Miami where the fear of an assassination was so great they rerouted JFK via helicopter instead of the motorcade. The third and final being Dallas.
Why would the CIA want JFK out of office? Since certain elements of the CIA thought they had become de facto rulers of the US they felt JFK was giving into Communism by not removing Castro. First he didn't support the Bay of Pigs. Next he failed to take aggressive action in the Cuba Missile Crisis. He also cancelled the operation to kill Castro, was reluctant to escalate the war in Vietnam. This was when the CIA decided to force JFK's hand in the war with the Communists.
The CIA believed the Soviets, Cubans, Viet Minh and Chinese (among others) were all perceived to be working toward a new world order, a Red world order. They had already started numerous socialist movements in South America, the USA's back door.
The CIA spent the summer of 1963 trying to find ways to embarrass Kennedy into a war with the Communists show him as weak on Communism and set him up for a loss in the 1964 presidential election. (I will provide some instances at the end of this post or in a separate post). I don’t think they wanted to go with the assassination attempt, but “groomed” Oswald in case it came down to it. Because after the winter of 1963 they wouldn’t have as good a chance with 1964 being an election year. So they have Oswald go to New Orleans, the hotbed of anti-Castro activity. Perhaps he went there also to try and incite a Castro riot. Either way I don’t think Oswald knew he was being “handled”, he knew he was part of something, but he was too unstable to be an actual intelligence agent. No, I don’t believe he was some sort of American hero.
To me New Orleans is where the wheels come off the
official story. Up to this point we have a guy who, but for the grace of his
wife, would have taken a shot at former VP Richard Nixon and who did take a
shot at the right-winger General Walker. Nixon also leaned to the right so we
have a defector who went to leftist USSR and had tried to kill too
prominent right wing authority figures.
First Oswald gets an “office” right beside one of
the biggest anti-Castro people in New
Orleans, Guy Bannister. Among Bannister’s employ is
Oswald’s ex-Civil Air Patrol comrade David Ferrie. Despite the
fact Bannister is strongly against Castro there aren’t any dust ups between he
and an ardent Castro supporter like Oswald. Next Oswald is seen on TV handing
out pro-Castro leaflets, which eventually leads to a fight between Oswald and
some anti-Castro Cuban exiles. Which the CIA didn’t want to admit was being
handled by CIA operative George Joannides, that is until 50 years and a FOIA
court order later. Then Oswald goes on radio to debate Castro’s Cuba with the
one of the Cubans he had the street altercation with. On the one hand this
seems really transparent, but it could be a coincidence. Then we have the
incident where Oswald wanted to speak to the FBI while in police custody.
Next Oswald leaves New
Orleans and takes a trip to Mexico City
to get a visa to Cuba.
A CIA agent (William
Gaudet) was in line ahead of him at the bus terminal when he was getting a
ticket to Mexico City.
There hasn’t been much
light shed on the Mexico City
visit. CT’ers say the government’s claim that he visited the Soviet and Cuban consulates
are false and say that it was an impersonator.
This really seems like a lot of
things going on for a person who is supposedly deranged or unstable. While it
doesn’t seem totally implausible, it’s like the rest of this story, something
doesn’t smell right.
JFK’s Dallas trip was first published in September
1963. Oswald gets hired at the TSBD in October 1963. It is a known fact that
any parade going through Dallas
would take Main St. So to say Oswald was hired before the route was published
is immaterial.
Between this and November 22nd Guy Bannister, former FBI agent with mob ties either told one of his mob associates or David Ferrie about JFK’s Dallas visit and Oswald’s employment at the TSBD. Ferrie or another mob associate relayed the info to the right people, probably Santo Trafficante, Jr. and that set events in motion.
November 22, 1963 – I believe the
gun was already at the TSBD before Oswald came to work. The package was to make
sure someone saw him with a package that was a similar size to the gun. Because
why would he put it in a package when Mariana had testified that he had went
target shooting with his rifle by hiding it under his raincoat when he road the
bus. It rained that morning, so to me that seems like a perfect fit. Besides if
someone discovered the gun the jig would be up. It probably really was curtain
rods.
Oswald was told to stay out of sight
until he saw the police or had an indication that the assassination attempt had
taken place. At that time he would rendezvous with Jack Ruby who would then
take him to meet David Ferrie who would fly him to a secret location where he
could lie low. Now Oswald’s pro-Cuban background would be brought up and the US would have no choice but to attack Cuba. Oswald
would eventually relocate to Cuba
to help the people recover from Castro.
At lunch time Oswald has to make
sure it is known he is still on the 6th floor by calling for the
elevator to be sent back up. But we know he wasn’t because Depository
worker Bonnie Ray Williams was eating his lunch there. Williams leaves the 6th
floor at approximately 12:15, 10 minutes before JFK is scheduled to arrive.
After he leaves the team of one or two men move in. I think it was two, the
shooter and the lookout. Up to this point it’s just a scare tactic. JFK passes
by and Oswald’s look alike shoots from the south window, into the grass of Dealey Plaza,
overshooting the grass and hitting James Teague. Meanwhile the mob has a man in
the Dal-Tex building (probably Jim Braden), who actually shoots into the
motorcade, more than likely with a silencer. The TSBD shooters use the fire
escape to leave (probably the reason Oswald didn’t go out the back of the
building).
Now here’s where the story is weird no matter what
side of the fence you are on: the
escape. I believe he was supposed to meet someone in the building to take him
away. Because whether he bought a Coke before or after his encounter with
Officer Baker its still a very cool-headed thing to do right after you have
shot or been part of the shotting of the President of the United States.
When his man doesn’t show he tries to catch the bus to what he had previously
learned was the meeting point with either Ruby to take him to Ferrie or Ferrie
directly. When the bus moves to slow he gets in a cab. Patrolman JD Tippit,
waiting for him at the Gloco gas station in Oak Cliff, learned Oswald wasn’t
following the original plan (which Oswald didn’t know about because it would
involve him doing something he didn’t want).
Oswald goes home and gets his pistol. Now if I had
planned on shooting the president I would have taken my pistol with me. But I
think Oswald smelled a rat once his contact at the TSBD didn’t show up and
wanted a little protectin. So Tippit began to track him down. Since he knew
where Oswald thought he was supposed to go he knew where to intercept him. Once
he did and tried to explain the change in plans to Oswald that’s when Oswald
shot him. After that Oswald knew the jig was up and figured he had to get off
the street because the cops were looking for him. I think the theatre episode
proves that the DPD, or most of them anyway, weren’t in on any conspiracy as
they would have shot him in the theatre and ended all specualtion.
Once in custody he knows his only escape of the death penalty is to keep his keep playing along hoping his conpsirators would get him out of the mess. Of course he may have talked but if said anything conspiratory in nature we do not know. His public words do not sound like a small man making himself feel important by killing a popular leader. He sounds like someone who is trying to deflect most of the blame or possibly sending vague warnings to his associates. He gives no “look at me now” statements such as we got from John Wilkes Booth. No clear political message as we had with other presidential assassins. Not even a I’m a crazy man and I did it for Jodie Foster statement such as from John Hinckley Jr. There isn’t even a hint he did it for Castro and the revolution (although to be fair that wouldn’t have went over well with the American people for Castro’s sake). He was a patsy. His answers are from a man who seems to feel he knows his situation and has diluted himself into thinking that the people he worked with may have killed the president but they still care about him.
Obviously it’s not known to me who hijacked the plan. The mob would be the best choice since the Kennedys were breathing down their necks. Specifically Sam Giancana (of course him sharing a lover with JFK probably didn’t help their friendship). And as I think a lot of the confusion about this case is people getting caught up in their own pet theories let me go over some areas where I think I could be wrong.
First Oswald could have been the shooter. I can’t buy that base on the ballistic evidence. I’m not expert but am familiar with different types of guns and for a bullet to hit that many bones and come out like that doesn’t seem logical. But putting that aside for the moment, it does seem possible for him to have gotten down the stairs to the lunch room before the DPD came in. His reaction (according to Truly) to Baker drawing a gun on him seems to be what you’d expect from a person who was waiting on the police entrance.
I understand when your dealing with nut jobs rational thinking goes out the window. But it’s just hard for to believe anything other than he was to meet someone to get him out of the area/country. If his motivation was to make a name for himself why wouldn’t he have just hung around the TSBD? If he had hopes that killing JFK would persuade Castro to let him into Cuba why didn’t he have some sort of escape plan setup to take him to Miami or the Mexican border?
Based on a couple facts I think he was heading for a rondavouz. First he went home and changed his shirt and got his pistol (there are a couple other details which I find inconsiquiential here, the police horn and he supposedly walked away from the bus stop). Then he has his encounter with Tippit. I find it hard to believe the conspirators would go to all the trouble and risk to shoot down a cop and try to frame Oswald. He’s supposedly just shot the President of the United States, how much more dastardly and violent could an American be? No matter how much an American dislikes their president most are going to be pretty ticked off when he gets shot. And as I noted earlier, Oswald was armed so if the DPD were in on a plot they could have easily taken him out. More than likely the word went out to take him alive so he could possibly betray any Soviet or Cuban accomplices.
What I don't neccessarily agree with
I just can't swallow the shot from the front. Obviously it would all
but destroy my theory, but that's not the reason. If I were to make it
seem as though Oswald was the lone gunman why would I want shots coming
from an entirely different direction. To paraphrase an old football
axiom: only 3 things can happen with a front shot and 2 are bad. If JFK
gets hit in the head, few questions could be asked. If you miss, which
is more likely than not, there are just too many targets that would
easily unravel the lone nut theory.
That it was a government wide execution or cover up. If my theory is correct then at most the CIA told LBJ and the FBI that something went wrong and they need to hush this thing up. Now obviously LBJ did want to have one investigation but it was more to make sure some idiot didn't tick off the Russians and talk us into a war.
That it was a government wide execution or cover up. If my theory is correct then at most the CIA told LBJ and the FBI that something went wrong and they need to hush this thing up. Now obviously LBJ did want to have one investigation but it was more to make sure some idiot didn't tick off the Russians and talk us into a war.
Who am I? And why should you care what I think.
I read a lot at work (I monitor computers so I have a lot of free time). I like to analyze things. I have read a lot about this case. I have jumped on every conspiracy out there before I even resigned myself to the fact that it was a Lone Nut. Then I settled down and started to "investigate" from the point of view of what is real legal proof? Giving little credence to witness and written testimony but more on the hard evidence.
I believe part of the problem has been that people get their pet theories and try and prove themselves right. Or an author creates a new theory based on his perception of the evidence or financial motivation. Of course we can't discount the CIA types who put out their own "theories" to confuse the people and make everyone think the simplest solution is probably the right one.
I believe part of the problem has been that people get their pet theories and try and prove themselves right. Or an author creates a new theory based on his perception of the evidence or financial motivation. Of course we can't discount the CIA types who put out their own "theories" to confuse the people and make everyone think the simplest solution is probably the right one.
I believe but can't prove
Oswald was a loner and a nut. But I don't think a lone nut. I think he did have big ambitions but was either too uneducated or too much of an ahole to achieve those ambitions in a normal perspective. Were his ambitions to be satisfied with the killing of JFK? I don't know. I have done a lot of reading but can't figure out his motivation behind the assassination. |
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